I've been a hater of Zope (2) for a while, but I hear great things about Zope 3. I also know that the Zope community contains some of the smartest folks in Python, so I'm sure Zope 3 is worth hearing about.
So I thought to myself, maybe a 3 hr tutorial on Zope 3 would be a good investment!
p.s. What I'd really like is "An Introduction to How Zope Mangles, Tangles, and Twists Normal Python, For People Who Think They Know Python Already, ThankYouVeryMuch." And then the same for Twisted.
Posted by Doug Napoleone on 2008-02-01 at 16:51.
We can't make people submit tutorial proposals. NOTE: Last year Jeff Rush gave a 4 day Introduction to Zope3 Sprint. The sprints are free and do not require a conference registration. Not sure if he is going to do it again.
Posted by Steve Holden on 2008-02-01 at 21:58.
As far as Twisted goes I am trying an Open Space experiment this year provisionally entitled "Teach Me Twisted" which reverses the normal information flow and has the audience teaching me what I need to know to use Twisted. I'm hoping it will be fun - the Twisted community is very outgoing and welcoming. Maybe someone could do something similar with the Zope 3 crowd?
Posted by Kevin Teague on 2008-02-02 at 17:34.
There is a talk on the "new" face of Zope 3, Grok, but no full-blown tutorials: <a href="http://us.pycon.org/2008/conference/talks/?sear ch=Grok">http://us.pycon.org/2008/conference/talks/?search=Grok</a> There are also a few talks on Zope 3 available on plone.tv (although none that are really good to recommend as a "intro to Zope 3" type of video): <a href="http://plone.tv/search?SearchableText=zope& x=36&y=9">http://plone.tv/search?SearchableText=zope&x=36&a mp;y=9</a> One of the prime reasons for Zope 3 was **not** to mangle, tangle and twist normal Python :) The interesting lessons from Zope 3 for a regular Python person who's just curious as to what wisdom may be in the Zope 3 project I believe are in it's design: favoring object composition over class inheritance and design by contract. Understand the Zope Component Architecture and you will have the Zen of Zope 3: <a href="http://www.muthukadan.net/docs/zca.html ">http://www.muthukadan.net/docs/zca.html</a> Many of the Zope 3 developers have also spend at lot of time in 2007 working with Python eggs, while it's not specific to web frameworks, the tutorial on Eggs and Buildout will cover what many Zope developers have been working on of late: <a href="http://us.pycon.org/2008/tutorials/EggsRush/">htt p://us.pycon.org/2008/tutorials/EggsRush/</a>
Posted by Noah Gift on 2008-02-08 at 22:27.
megadittos titus! I feel the same way :)